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killll Epic Mage
Number of posts : 414 Registration date : 2008-09-06
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Fire nova / Fire Orb
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:45 pm | |
| I hate that you put fire has 7 mp regen including with the Mp aura..>.> | |
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Rhys Map Maker
Number of posts : 719 Registration date : 2008-05-23 Age : 42 Location : Massachusetts
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Atomic Tea-Bag
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:57 pm | |
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diaster Ultimate Sage
Number of posts : 1378 Registration date : 2008-05-21 Age : 34 Location : behind you
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Wind Control
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:58 pm | |
| | Dark | Earth | Fire | Holy | Ice | Lightning | Water | Wind | Stamina | 2 | 1 | 4 | 3 | 7 | 8 | 6 | 5 | Power | 8 | 2 | 5 | 7 | 3 | 1 | 4 | 6 | Essence | 4 | 2 | 5 | 3 | 6 | 8 | 1 | 7 | HP Regen | 2 | 1 | 4 | 3 | 8 | 6 | 7 | 5 | MP Regen | 3 | 6 | 7 | 2 | 5 | 8 | 1 | 4 | Armor | 2 | 1 | 8 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 4 | 6 | Damage | 1 | 3 | 5 | 8 | 4 | 2 | 7 | 6 | Speed | 6 | 8 | 5 | 4 | 3 | 2 | 7 | 1 | Range | 6 | 8 | 3 | 5 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 7 | AOE | 7 | 1 | 3 | 6 | 5 | 8 | 4 | 2 |
still thinking on numbers but I think the last 2 should really be accounted for.
Last edited by diaster on Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:14 pm; edited 1 time in total | |
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SinisteRing Webmaster
Number of posts : 2032 Registration date : 2008-05-21 Age : 31 Location : New Hampshire
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Telekinetic Choke
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:05 pm | |
| I'm pretty sure he's only accounting for what he can put on items. I don't think you can add range and AoE via items. | |
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diaster Ultimate Sage
Number of posts : 1378 Registration date : 2008-05-21 Age : 34 Location : behind you
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Wind Control
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:16 pm | |
| no spell buffs? that's sad....then again got to admit i kinda misread the topic then...so ya....disregard my numbers then | |
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Jay.J Head Admin
Number of posts : 3470 Registration date : 2008-05-21 Age : 33 Location : Toronto
Your Character Level: ∞ Primary Move: Moderate
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:21 pm | |
| Dark - 27 Earth - 31 Fire - 42 Holy - 45 Ice - 47 Lightning - 49 Water - 44 Wind - 48
Based on Sin's chart. I did this in my head though so there may be a few errors. Lower numbers are stronger, higher numbers are weaker. Sooo...now time to even out all the numbers? | |
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Dragonheart91 Godlike Sage
Number of posts : 2358 Registration date : 2008-05-21
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Cursed Waves (pwned much?)
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:24 pm | |
| I think my chart was more balanced. You should do the math on each chart.
Btw Rhys, are you still filling in the table? There are alot of empty slots left. | |
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SinisteRing Webmaster
Number of posts : 2032 Registration date : 2008-05-21 Age : 31 Location : New Hampshire
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Telekinetic Choke
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:29 pm | |
| Few more changes for Jay. | Dark | Earth | Fire | Holy | Ice | Lightning | Water | Wind | Stamina | 2 | 1 | 4 | 3 | 7 | 8 | 6 | 5 | Power | 7 | 4 | 2 | 5 | 3 | 1 | 8 | 6 | Essence | 6 | 8 | 4 | 3 | 2 | 5 | 1 | 7 | HP Regen | 2 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 8 | 6 | 7 | 5 | MP Regen | 7 | 6 | 4 | 8 | 5 | 3 | 1 | 2 | Armor | 2 | 1 | 8 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 4 | 6 | Damage | 1 | 5 | 6 | 8 | 3 | 2 | 7 | 4 | Speed | 6 | 8 | 5 | 4 | 3 | 2 | 7 | 1 |
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Jay.J Head Admin
Number of posts : 3470 Registration date : 2008-05-21 Age : 33 Location : Toronto
Your Character Level: ∞ Primary Move: Moderate
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:34 pm | |
| Dark - 33 Earth - 37 Fire - 36 Holy - 35 Ice - 36 Lightning - 34 Water - 41 Wind - 36
36 is the prime balanced number for an average of 4.5 sudoku or average style. Try to get them all to 36. Throw in a total row. | |
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SinisteRing Webmaster
Number of posts : 2032 Registration date : 2008-05-21 Age : 31 Location : New Hampshire
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Telekinetic Choke
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:35 pm | |
| I'm sure those numbers are quite alright for a blind try.
You can edit the numbers, I was just filling the chart up. | |
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Jay.J Head Admin
Number of posts : 3470 Registration date : 2008-05-21 Age : 33 Location : Toronto
Your Character Level: ∞ Primary Move: Moderate
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:36 pm | |
| I was never great at Sodoku. | |
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Dragonheart91 Godlike Sage
Number of posts : 2358 Registration date : 2008-05-21
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Cursed Waves (pwned much?)
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:36 pm | |
| Actually, having the gear skewed a bit towards Water and away from Dark isn't that bad anyway. Water deserves better gear and Dark is fine. | |
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Rhys Map Maker
Number of posts : 719 Registration date : 2008-05-23 Age : 42 Location : Massachusetts
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Atomic Tea-Bag
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:17 pm | |
| sins updated chart actually looks fairly good. If anyone contends something about it now would be a good time to speak up. | |
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Dragonheart91 Godlike Sage
Number of posts : 2358 Registration date : 2008-05-21
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Cursed Waves (pwned much?)
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:28 pm | |
| Actually, I forgot low was better. His chart needs to be tweaked a bit. If anything is not average, then it should go by this order to choose which elements get better gear:
Holy is #1 Water is #2 Wind is #3 Earth is #4 Lightning is #5 Fire is #6 Ice is #7 Dark is #8
Just my opinion, and the gear should be relatively balanced. But, if anything gets a bit more it should be Holy Water and Wind preferably since they lean more towards support. | |
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Jay.J Head Admin
Number of posts : 3470 Registration date : 2008-05-21 Age : 33 Location : Toronto
Your Character Level: ∞ Primary Move: Moderate
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:22 pm | |
| I still think the numbers should all be 36, just mix up a few numbers... | |
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kuro Clan Chieftan
Number of posts : 1331 Registration date : 2008-05-31 Age : 114 Location : in the middle of nowHere.
Your Character Level: 2 Primary Move: invoke
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:21 am | |
| I will be posting my chart soon.
Everyone has given the elements 8, 7, 6... etc.
But i think everything should be rated on a 1-10 scale.
oh, and, i think hp regen should include hp recovery (e.g. heals, death coil, eat tree, actual regen), mana regen should include replenish and the like.
things like death pact too. | |
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Dragonheart91 Godlike Sage
Number of posts : 2358 Registration date : 2008-05-21
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Cursed Waves (pwned much?)
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:57 am | |
| We are talking about the stats that the Elemental Items should give. They are not being scored 1-8, but rather rated from best to worst. There just happens to be 8 elements. | |
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Piddagoras Map Maker
Number of posts : 592 Registration date : 2008-05-22 Age : 36 Location : California
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Cosines and Sines.
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:25 pm | |
| - Jay.J wrote:
- I still think the numbers should all be 36, just mix up a few numbers...
With the rules they're using to fill out the board, what you ask is impossible. With 10 categories and 8 ranks per category, one element must be better than at least one other element in total ranking. | |
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Dragonheart91 Godlike Sage
Number of posts : 2358 Registration date : 2008-05-21
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Cursed Waves (pwned much?)
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:37 pm | |
| Actually, it's 8x8. Because of that, it actually SHOULD be possible. (But might not be because of certain givens like Lightning being #1 in Power and #8 in Stamina.) | |
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SinisteRing Webmaster
Number of posts : 2032 Registration date : 2008-05-21 Age : 31 Location : New Hampshire
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Telekinetic Choke
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:21 pm | |
| - Jay.J wrote:
- I still think the numbers should all be 36, just mix up a few numbers...
You do it. | |
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Piddagoras Map Maker
Number of posts : 592 Registration date : 2008-05-22 Age : 36 Location : California
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Cosines and Sines.
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:11 pm | |
| - Dragonheart91 wrote:
- Actually, it's 8x8. Because of that, it actually SHOULD be possible. (But might not be because of certain givens like Lightning being #1 in Power and #8 in Stamina.)
Oh, some people were using the original and some people cut 2 stats off, i see how it is now. | |
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Jay.J Head Admin
Number of posts : 3470 Registration date : 2008-05-21 Age : 33 Location : Toronto
Your Character Level: ∞ Primary Move: Moderate
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:30 pm | |
| Mhmm, well Rhys has is chart 8x8. Like I said before, I would do it but I'm not good at that kind of visual math. | |
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kuro Clan Chieftan
Number of posts : 1331 Registration date : 2008-05-31 Age : 114 Location : in the middle of nowHere.
Your Character Level: 2 Primary Move: invoke
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:20 am | |
| I find it queer how elemental gear boosts things that the element is NOT good at... | |
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Jay.J Head Admin
Number of posts : 3470 Registration date : 2008-05-21 Age : 33 Location : Toronto
Your Character Level: ∞ Primary Move: Moderate
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:28 am | |
| Who said it should be like that? Also it's not like that always...Lightning is generally power. Earth is a lot of HP...Etc. | |
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kuro Clan Chieftan
Number of posts : 1331 Registration date : 2008-05-31 Age : 114 Location : in the middle of nowHere.
Your Character Level: 2 Primary Move: invoke
| Subject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:29 am | |
| oh sorry. i thought it was 8 HIGH, 1 low. | |
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