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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:45 pm

I hate that you put fire has 7 mp regen including with the Mp aura..>.>
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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:57 pm

excellent work sin

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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:58 pm

Dark Earth Fire Holy Ice Lightning Water Wind
Stamina 2 1 4 3 7 8 6 5
Power 8 2 5 7 3 1 4 6
Essence 4 2 5 3 6 8 1 7
HP Regen 2 1 4 3 8 6 7 5
MP Regen 3 6 7 2 5 8 1 4
Armor 2 1 8 3 5 7 4 6
Damage 1 3 5 8 4 2 7 6
Speed6 8 5 4 3 2 7 1
Range6 8 3 5 4 1 2 7
AOE7 1 3 6 5 8 4 2

still thinking on numbers but I think the last 2 should really be accounted for.


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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:05 pm

I'm pretty sure he's only accounting for what he can put on items. I don't think you can add range and AoE via items.
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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:16 pm

no spell buffs? that's sad....then again got to admit i kinda misread the topic then...so ya....disregard my numbers then
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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:21 pm

Dark - 27
Earth - 31
Fire - 42
Holy - 45
Ice - 47
Lightning - 49
Water - 44
Wind - 48

Based on Sin's chart. I did this in my head though so there may be a few errors. Lower numbers are stronger, higher numbers are weaker. Sooo...now time to even out all the numbers?

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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:24 pm

I think my chart was more balanced. You should do the math on each chart.


Btw Rhys, are you still filling in the table? There are alot of empty slots left.
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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:29 pm

Few more changes for Jay.

Dark Earth Fire Holy Ice Lightning Water Wind
Stamina 2 1 4 3 7 8 6 5
Power 7 4 2 5 3 1 8 6
Essence 6 8 4 3 2 5 1 7
HP Regen 2 4 3 1 8 6 7 5
MP Regen 7 6 4 8 5 3 1 2
Armor 2 1 8 3 5 7 4 6
Damage 1 5 6 8 3 2 7 4
Speed6 8 5 4 3 2 7 1
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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:34 pm

Dark - 33
Earth - 37
Fire - 36
Holy - 35
Ice - 36
Lightning - 34
Water - 41
Wind - 36

36 is the prime balanced number for an average of 4.5 sudoku or average style. Try to get them all to 36. Throw in a total row.

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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:35 pm

I'm sure those numbers are quite alright for a blind try.

You can edit the numbers, I was just filling the chart up.
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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:36 pm

I was never great at Sodoku.

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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:36 pm

Actually, having the gear skewed a bit towards Water and away from Dark isn't that bad anyway. Water deserves better gear and Dark is fine.
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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:17 pm

sins updated chart actually looks fairly good. If anyone contends something about it now would be a good time to speak up.

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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:28 pm

Actually, I forgot low was better. His chart needs to be tweaked a bit. If anything is not average, then it should go by this order to choose which elements get better gear:

Holy is #1
Water is #2
Wind is #3
Earth is #4
Lightning is #5
Fire is #6
Ice is #7
Dark is #8


Just my opinion, and the gear should be relatively balanced. But, if anything gets a bit more it should be Holy Water and Wind preferably since they lean more towards support.
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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:22 pm

I still think the numbers should all be 36, just mix up a few numbers...

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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:21 am

I will be posting my chart soon.


Everyone has given the elements 8, 7, 6... etc.


But i think everything should be rated on a 1-10 scale.


oh, and, i think hp regen should include hp recovery (e.g. heals, death coil, eat tree, actual regen), mana regen should include replenish and the like.

things like death pact too.
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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:57 am

We are talking about the stats that the Elemental Items should give. They are not being scored 1-8, but rather rated from best to worst. There just happens to be 8 elements.
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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:25 pm

Jay.J wrote:
I still think the numbers should all be 36, just mix up a few numbers...

With the rules they're using to fill out the board, what you ask is impossible.

With 10 categories and 8 ranks per category, one element must be better than at least one other element in total ranking.

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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:37 pm

Actually, it's 8x8. Because of that, it actually SHOULD be possible. (But might not be because of certain givens like Lightning being #1 in Power and #8 in Stamina.)
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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:21 pm

Jay.J wrote:
I still think the numbers should all be 36, just mix up a few numbers...
You do it.
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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:11 pm

Dragonheart91 wrote:
Actually, it's 8x8. Because of that, it actually SHOULD be possible. (But might not be because of certain givens like Lightning being #1 in Power and #8 in Stamina.)

Oh, some people were using the original and some people cut 2 stats off, i see how it is now.

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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:30 pm

Mhmm, well Rhys has is chart 8x8. Like I said before, I would do it but I'm not good at that kind of visual math.

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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:20 am

I find it queer how elemental gear boosts things that the element is NOT good at...
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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:28 am

Who said it should be like that? Also it's not like that always...Lightning is generally power. Earth is a lot of HP...Etc.

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PostSubject: Re: Balance Phase : 7.20 Released - Locked   Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:29 am

oh sorry.

i thought it was 8 HIGH, 1 low.

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