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PostSubject: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:51 am

Balnazzar has had me banned from the clan ZMMM channel due to a joke I had.

I asked him to unban, and that I was just joking. He refused.

As I am interested in joining clan ZMMM with a couple friends, I am attempting to pursue my un ban.

I whispered Lagger09 who proceeded to hear my story and unban me. I returned to the channel were Balnazzar re-banned me. I asked him to unban and he said lol, no.

I was then again un banned mysteriously, and when I returned to a channel, The Balnazzar was there. I said "Yay, unbanned", at which point he banned me AGAIN.

I have a screenshot of possible truth.

Do I stand a chance at rejoining?

(Note: I ran this through a friend who said it sounded like I wanted Balnazzar banned, which I don't, I just want in on ZMMM)

If it makes any difference I am an ex clanny, some might remember a 62 dark/ice? I know that a few names here are familiar to me.

With much hope,
Nitekreeper


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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:47 am

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A certain shaman has had me banned from the clan ZMMM channel due to a joke I had.

Lol.... Stop saying "Certain Shaman", and that "Joke" was rather an insult, wich you committed in the Clan Channel, not even in a whisper.

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As I am interested in joining clan ZMMM with a couple friends, I am attempting to pursue my un ban.

They don't even play MM&M... (Nor do you).

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Do I stand a chance at rejoining?

Ehem, the main problem is his attitude, even Kuro's rules say "No flaming" or whatever that was, and he has a bad attitude most of the time.
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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:49 am

It was meant as a joke, you took it too seriously.

I did play MMM, and I want to play the new versions.

My friend, as you witnessed, plays MMM, the other will play it with me.

I don't flame. Give me an example of when I flamed.

Editting post and putting in names, just for you Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:52 am

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My friend, as you witnessed, plays MMM, the other will play it with me.

Wich friend? I only recall 1 of your friends saying he wanted to try MM&M.
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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:53 am

He didn't say he wanted to try. He knew what it was. DF_Shinobi2002
Other friend is Bryce_Schafer who used to be with me in ZMMM who left when I did.
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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:00 am

Well, 1 of your friends said he wanted to try it, but I didn't hear, or at least I don't recall them saying they played MM&M.

But anyways, that's not the issue here, the ban was because of your behaviour, and it has nothing to do with your friends.
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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:02 am

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But anyways, that's not the issue here, the ban was because of your behaviour, and it has nothing to do with your friends.
Then why did you bring it up?

This post was meant to aid ME specifically in knowing whether I should push this matter, it was designed for somebody else from the outside to take a look in and give me their opinion on whether I stood a chance or not. The fact that you've posted here shows you as rude and possibly ignorant.
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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:07 am

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The fact that you've posted here shows you as rude and possibly ignorant.

And here you just showed how you ussually are...
Besides, you are talking about me and you don't want me to say what really happened?
According to you that was just a little joke, but even Pythagoras heard the so called "Joke".
(Sorry for bringing you into this, Pyth.)

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But anyways, that's not the issue here, the ban was because of your behaviour, and it has nothing to do with your friends.


Then why did you bring it up?

I didn't say it was relevant, I just tought you were talking about whoever said he wanted to try it, in wich case your first post would of been a lie, and if it was a lie, it would of been relevant.
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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:11 am

I think it was a failsafe for when your argument failed.

I did geniunely mean it as a joke, also, You had continuously annoyed me and CurryMuffin with your asking of the time. You knew it annoyed us and yet continued. Curry didn't get you banned from clan Lolt.

I think you just had the power, and you didn't like the joke or me, and thought "Fuckit, i'll ban him".

Your side of the story would have been relevant had I thought it necessary to take this further.

It wasn't clearly about you until you insisted I put names in.

I have a feeling Pyth doesn't want to be involved as he redirected me to Lagger09, the shaman that heard my side of the story and unbanned me.

It was curry muncher who wanted to know what MMM was, not shinobi.

Your statement has been rendered irrelevant.
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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:26 am

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I did geniunely mean it as a joke, also, You had continuously annoyed me and CurryMuffin with your asking of the time. You knew it annoyed us and yet continued. Curry didn't get you banned from clan Lolt.

Annoyance < Insults.

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I think you just had the power, and you didn't like the joke or me, and thought "Fuckit, i'll ban him".

I think that has been answered already.

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Your side of the story would have been relevant had I thought it necessary to take this further.

Now that is just ridiculous...

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I have a feeling Pyth doesn't want to be involved as he redirected me to Lagger09, the shaman that heard my side of the story and unbanned me.

I already apologised to Pythagoras, and besides, he redirected you because he isn't a shaman.
As you just said, your side of the story, at wich it was just a little joke, and not 3-4 people with names like "Balfag" spamming things like "Balnazzar is gay".

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It was curry muncher who wanted to know what MMM was, not shinobi.

Not relevant, but it's good that you answered.

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Your statement has been rendered irrelevant.

Ehem, how so?



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As you just said, your side of the story, at wich it was just a little joke, and not 3-4 people with names like "Balfag" spamming things like "Balnazzar is gay"

I have nothing against homosexuals, in fact I think gay marriage should be legal, but that's a matter to discuss at the Debate section.

Edit: P.S. #2: I ask you not to post again regarding to this matter until someone else joins this discussion.
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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:35 am

Hmm, you've taken the political highground.
It would be pointless for me to say I've got nothing wrong with homosexuals (Even though it would be true). I just got into the habbit of calling things gay.

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Annoyance < Insults.


Quite simply your point of view. In my defense, however, An insult can be shrugged off. An insult can also be friendly. As I intended. Annoyance is different, Annoyance is semi-constant depending on how long the annoyer keeps up. Something annoying doesn't cease to be annoying all of a sudden, and an annoyance generally isn't taken as friendly.

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I think that has been answered already.

I am ultimately debating your answer, am I not, especially since your answer is related to how I got banned?

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Now that is just ridiculous...

It is not ridiculous. I kept it anonymous for the soul reason of having somebody elses point of view before pushing this onwards.

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I already apologised to Pythagoras, and besides, he redirected you because he isn't a shaman.
As you just said, your side of the story, at wich it was just a little joke, and not 3-4 people with names like "Balfag" spamming things like "Balnazzar is gay".

My arguement here may not be in my favor, but The names and insults were ALL part of the joke? However fair enough on pythagoras.

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Not relevant, but it's good that you answered.

If I didn't answer the intended readers would assume I was a liar.

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Ehem, how so?

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I didn't say it was relevant, I just tought you were talking about whoever said he wanted to try it, in wich case your first post would of been a lie, and if it was a lie, it would of been relevant.

However my statements have proved that such was Irrelevant.

That is all.

[EDIT: I read your "edit" too late, but even if I had I would've posted this. I'm going offline now and I wont leave your argument as the last as it raises questions this post answers.]
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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:40 am

My friend Balnazzar, (the Banner) has a good reason for the banning.

Nitekreeper has known to be an asshole, to myself, and Balnazzar several times, I know I'm just a random to most of you, but I saw them complaining about this earlier, and I thought I'd clarify it all, whether you listen to me or not, isn't my concern, but you just need to know that Balnazzar isn't lying, Nitekreeper is known VERY WELL to insult others, even his friends.

If any of the other Shamans or Higher Powers of this clan, got insulted by someone, who supposedly "joked" about it all, wouldn't you do something about it, that's all that Balnazzar has done.

Well, that's my two cents.

P.S. I know it's none of my business, but thought I'd warn y'all.
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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:48 am

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Nitekreeper has known to be an asshole, to myself, and Balnazzar several times, I know I'm just a random to most of you, but I saw them complaining about this earlier, and I thought I'd clarify it all, whether you listen to me or not, isn't my concern, but you just need to know that Balnazzar isn't lying, Nitekreeper is known VERY WELL to insult others, even his friends.

I have ceased being an "Asshole" to you.

Your actions, train of thought and way you carry yourself have led me to believe that you are not a woman. Further searching on the internet found relevant information that you are indeed a man. However I dropped this arguement with you in hopes of our friendship recovering.

Now I see that this is not the case. I will not retaliate and bring the arguement up again, but I would like the readers to know that in her point of view I was an asshole, but in Mine and another friends, I was simply seeking the truth.

As for being an asshole to my friends, I would like proof.

And no, telling Megaman221 that being a solo sniper on a 3man game of swat survival will NOT help us is not being an asshole.

As for balnazzar, his behavior around you is disturbing for me, I asked him to stop when around me and he will not, that is the main source of animosity between me and balnazzar, however you are both aware thaT I was happy to drop this arguement LAST NIGHT, before this entire banning incident took place, it was both of you who decided to continue this.

And even as such you have taken advantage of me by letting me think our friendship was fine, when really you just wanted me to host a game for you.

I think you should've just stayed out of this arguement instead of forcing the unrequired half into MMM.
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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:54 am

That's fine, you can be curious all you want, but "curious" doesn't mean blab it to everyone and hope to make them against me, that's too far.

Telling him to be a Solo Sniper isn't, I know, but I recall never bringing that up?

And now you're saying I shouldn't have posted this? Why not? Sorry, but I don't like lying, nor avoiding the truth.

Calling someone Homosexual is Homophobic and Insulting, especially when it's all lies, so is calling someone something they're not (which is the same thing, but I'm making a point).

Honestly, it's not up to me, what happens to him, but, Nitekreeper, you're not going to have many friends at all, if you keep insulting them, it's not going to go down well for you.
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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:01 am

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That's fine, you can be curious all you want, but "curious" doesn't mean blab it to everyone and hope to make them against me, that's too far.
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Megaman was already in on it. Balnazzar deserved to know, believe it or not I wanted to protect him, I was his friend before all of this.

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Telling him to be a Solo Sniper isn't, I know, but I recall never bringing that up?

I told him not to be, And I was limiting the criteria of examples of me being an asshole to my friends.

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And now you're saying I shouldn't have posted this? Why not? Sorry, but I don't like lying, nor avoiding the truth.

This post has irrelevant factors to it, marked with an asterix. Irrelevant factors lead me to believe you shouldn't have gotten involved.

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Calling someone Homosexual is Homophobic and Insulting, especially when it's all lies, so is calling someone something they're not (which is the same thing, but I'm making a point).
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I haven't once denied my intent to insult. The insult was a joke, however.

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Honestly, it's not up to me, what happens to him, but, Nitekreeper, you're not going to have many friends at all, if you keep insulting them, it's not going to go down well for you.
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My friendships have been solid for over 6 months. The only friend I've ever lost was lost because he was more stubborn than me, and insulted me for everything I did wrong, however this is also irrelevant.
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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:11 am

this post is far more amusing then a soap opera.


What was the joke?


I remember NiteCreeper from months ago, never talked to him so I have no issue one way or the other. The fact that hes trying to go through the proper avenues to get his ban repealed and not just have a new screen name is probably worth his unbanning alone.


So yeah, let us know that joke already.


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Your actions, train of thought and way you carry yourself have led me to believe that you are not a woman. Further searching on the internet found relevant information that you are indeed a man.
Ill let you know when I stop laughing about this quote.

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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:13 am

See this is where I'm going to get fucked up. We took it too far.

Me and several friends made names with various Balna prefixes all with the suffix fag.

We then went to channel clan zmmm and made jokes about balnazzar being gay.
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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:15 am

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lol I suppose I could see bal's personal view on this then.

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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:18 am

I have nothing more to say. I leave this in the hands of various other capable people now. This is no longer my attempt at getting advice and/or a second opinion, I want to know wether or not I'm welcome at clan ZMMM anymore. (From someone other than balnazzar).

And Rhys, thanks for your post, gave me slight boost in confidence.
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Your actions, train of thought and way you carry yourself have led me to believe that you are not a woman. Further searching on the internet found relevant information that you are indeed a man.

Ill let you know when I stop laughing about this quote.

What is it you find funny?
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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:41 am

Balnazzar can you please stop paying Kirra
to help you with your shit.

And Kirra may i suggest you stop giving Balnazzar
Oral Sex .

Balnazzar you are very stupid in this case. you banned a bloke
for making a joke , wow. sorry poof . but stop giving your grandmother
anal sex ! and stop banning people , so you and kirra can fuck eachother
until she bleeds NITROUS OXIDE

So stop being a little faggot unbanned nite and move on with your fuckin life
whats going to happen if you unbanned dude it was a fuckin joke
get it threw ur ass all the way up to your empty head

F U C K I N G J O K E
U FUCKIN NOOB!

suck donkey dick

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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:06 am

Wow, like this topic is really funny. Can't believe I read it all, it was the humor that kept me going. Towards the end I started thinking it was fake however....

Assuming it is real, at the start I was leaning towards Nite. He did the right thing in trying to get back into the clan. Not only that but he argued quite intelligently which, with me is a big plus. However I can see exactly where Bal is coming from. The joke was a bit far. I can see why he not only banned you but re-banned you as well. I believe the ban was just, however the reabanning I'm not so sure about. I think they should have had a shaman meeting or discussion to see if you worth a permanent ban.

Personally, I would unban you but keep you on a VERY short leash. That's my 2 cents, I would PM kuro, who unfortunately won't be as active this week, of all the times too eh?

@Bal: I see your point of view. That kind of a joke is taking it pretty damn far and completely directed at yourself. However, I would get a shaman meeting since kuro might be a while until he comes back and discuss this. Like I said before, I would unban him but keep him on a short leash for a while.

On a side note: Your friends post didn't help at all. It made your friend seem like a total asshole, and I wouldn't invite HIM into the clan - but you seem alright Nite. If anything your association with him brings you down a notch or two. Sorry if that sounds elitist or something - but it's true.

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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:11 am

lol I think Jay is like wtf, diaster's forum has trolls of a much higher caliber and they only get warnings. Anyways perma ban for 1 offense imo is excessive and the fact he came online to appeal the ban probably mean he won't do it again since he does care about the clan. Take what u want from this post, but I personally agree w/ jay in that he should be unbanned but on a short leash.
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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:20 am

Zerox wrote:
Balnazzar can you please stop paying Kirra
to help you with your shit.

And Kirra may i suggest you stop giving Balnazzar
Oral Sex .

Balnazzar you are very stupid in this case. you banned a bloke
for making a joke , wow. sorry poof . but stop giving your grandmother
anal sex ! and stop banning people , so you and kirra can fuck eachother
until she bleeds NITROUS OXIDE

So stop being a little faggot unbanned nite and move on with your fuckin life
whats going to happen if you unbanned dude it was a fuckin joke
get it threw ur ass all the way up to your empty head

F U C K I N G J O K E
U FUCKIN NOOB!

suck donkey dick

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"Nitekreeper can you please stop paying Zerox
to help you with your shit."

"And Zerox may i suggest you stop giving Nitekreeper
Oral Sex ."

Or is it the other way around?

What makes you think he's paying? Do you know what Friendship is? You stick out for your friend, but you wouldn't know, you haven't got any!

Although, I love how hypocritical you are, funny, but very sad at a seriously odd same time.

I still find it funny how you think it was a joke, when he obviously hates Balnazzar, bloody hell if you read what Nitekreeper said, you can see he hates him... >.>

While you're out finding some Sense, look for a Brain too. Very Happy


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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:21 am

diaster has me using an official warning system on his form D:! It's annoying. But still, that's taking a joke pretty far don't you think diaster? Making new accounts and stuff for just a joke? XD + His friend (Based on his one post) seems like a total douche. His friend really didn't help his cause.

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PostSubject: Re: Appealing a possibly unfair ban?   Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:23 am

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And no, telling Megaman221 that being a solo sniper on a 3man game of swat survival will NOT help us is not being an asshole.

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Telling him to be a Solo Sniper isn't, I know, but I recall never bringing that up?

ROFL, a Solo Sniper in a 3 man game of Survival in Swat is good. Let's 2 others camp at Park corner while he scouts for items for the group.

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Me and several friends made names with various Balna prefixes all with the suffix fag.

We then went to channel clan zmmm and made jokes about balnazzar being gay.

Is rofl classified as on word? Because if it is, i have only one word to say;'

ROFL.

ANYWAYS, ONTOPIC

Nite - PM Kuro
Kuro is reasonable chances are she will unban you and ask Bal not to re-ban you.

Jay.J - For the love of all that is holy and good in the world lock the thread already.
(No I am not singling out a Mod, but Rhys doesn't Mod that heavily and Jay.J is the only one that has posted in this thread that has powers)


We may have alot of mods, but are they doing their jobs particularly?
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