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PostSubject: Re: NPC Hero Changes   Sat Aug 16, 2008 6:46 pm

The infernal issue is a tough one, its already got a absurd Mana Cost, its cool down is extremely High, I nerfed its Stun time and its Actual Casting Time both by .5 Seconds in last version, and still its incredibly good. I have a issue with increasing its mana cost because it shouldn't cost more then an Orb does.

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PostSubject: Re: NPC Hero Changes   Sat Aug 16, 2008 6:58 pm

They suck hard against NPC heros though. Or atleast in comparison to spells. It's only logical. Towers have a ridiculous amount of spell resistance, so something that isn't magic will own it. It's just what EHP it has. It has meh HP against physical attacks which it SHOULD have, so troops can actually kill it. However it has a VERY high EHP against spells, so it just seems like Infernals are soo much better. However, when an Infernal or other summon attacks a mage, or NPC hero they have the same EHP compared to spells. They then seem to suck. 4 Infernals can be attacking the Ranger, and then the Ranger will still live.

That's why you give auras to NPC heros instead of towers, because they have the same EHP to everything. (Though they should be somewhat variant, and the numbers I gave I think are pretty good.)

Don't nerf Infernal, it's not even that good except destroying towers. And only when massed. Equake owns them regardless of your level, even low power mages can rape towers with it. Yet it does nothing else. Towers are just poor. They either are way too freaking strong, or way too freaking weak. So don't bother with them. Make the focus on something else that's already good where it is, but could be so much better (NPC heroes).

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PostSubject: Re: NPC Hero Changes   Sat Aug 16, 2008 7:02 pm

I have no plans to further nerf the Infernal Spam issue, I will let the current changes settle in for a version or two and see the general response afterwards. I havent heard as much griping about the infernals lately so I think what I did was a step in teh right direction on that.

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PostSubject: Re: NPC Hero Changes   Sat Aug 16, 2008 7:05 pm

Post remains still a reason to give Auras to NPC heroes over towers.

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PostSubject: Re: NPC Hero Changes   Sat Aug 16, 2008 7:09 pm

The reduction of Physical Attack was a Good direction for the auras In my opinion, alot of people made teh same suggestion at different times so technically that was not my idea I just liked it enough to try it out. I have had many good responses to it so I believe it will stay.

As for the NPC Auras, I can certainly agree that the NPCs need a boost of some sort, I feel they are fairly strong as is but I do think that killing a NPC should be more of a reward, currently killing the Knight removes the devotion aura and a troop creep and killing the Ranger gives you no archers to worry about. If anything we can start with giving the Ranger an Aura but I feel that any aura that directly buffs the Knights Attack speed or Attack damage would be a bad idea.

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PostSubject: Re: NPC Hero Changes   Sat Aug 16, 2008 7:38 pm

I agree that giving the auras to the NPC heroes would be good as well. Also, I think the towers are a little too strong even after nerfing to accommodate for the auras. Maybe leave their damage how it was after the aura nerf, and also decrease their hp a tad. They freaking slaughter my level 62 even when I have creep back-up.
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PostSubject: Re: NPC Hero Changes   Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:42 pm

I was under the impression that the Paladin had the devotion aura. Also, what about the rest of the change suggestions? For example the lowering of HP, but giving it spell resistance for the same general EHP, but to make it so having a creep wave actually means something and it's not JUST there to tank while you fire off spells. And to help end lower level games, while not effecting the high level game without any sort of scaling. Regardless, the armor of the NPC heros should be reduced, both natural and devotion aura.

Right now, I don't understand why I would ever kill the knight unless I felt like it. It has more HP. It has more armor. It's going to get healed by Pally anyway, so what's the difference? It's harder to kill, and makes it easier to win the game, instead of winning the game.

The auras were just suggestions, however I do think each should have an aura/passive and skill setup. What those are can be put to discussion/testing. However the stat changes, armour nerf, spell resistance added, hp lowered, mana changed should me implemented - as it has very little argument to not do.

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PostSubject: Re: NPC Hero Changes   Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:45 pm

I don't think anyone has presented any arguments against this. Most of your suggested changes should be implemented in 8.0 IMO. It also shouldn't even take much time, as it is just modifying stats instead of doing the heavy and time-consuming coding that Rhys and Pythagoras normally do.
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PostSubject: Re: NPC Hero Changes   Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:47 pm

ya...It would actually make the creep getting buffed do something cause right now by the time the upgrades actually make a diff, everyone wants to leave...
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PostSubject: Re: NPC Hero Changes   Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:03 am

jay.j's idea isn't bad for balancing game time, i'd prefer if the towers lost the dmg aura and regen, while the other npcs get weaker versions of the auras mentioned by op. reduced armor and more spell resist sounds like a good idea.
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PostSubject: Re: NPC Hero Changes   Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:05 pm

Just reminding everyone about this idea. I think it's pretty important.
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PostSubject: Re: NPC Hero Changes   Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:57 pm

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I have a issue with increasing its mana cost because it shouldn't cost more then an Orb does.

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I have no plans to further nerf the Infernal Spam issue, I will let the current changes settle in for a version or two and see the general response afterwards.

What happened to them apples? Isn't Infernal like 400 now Razz.

Anyways, this was more just to bump the idea.

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PostSubject: Re: NPC Hero Changes   Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:02 pm

If you wanted to give an aura that wouldn't affect dmg/speed of knight, you could make either a Trueshot, or a reverse trueshot that affect enemies. also, its very hard to kill the archer atm because it never enters the general combat zone, due to its range.
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