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PostSubject: Impossible WC3 Spells   Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:21 pm

This is more of a discussion of sorts for those who know about programming or those that don't and think they have an idea of something completely impossible.

What types of spells are completely impossible using the WC3 engine?

For example, I would think that a spell that hides the targets HP/Mana from them is impossible.
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PostSubject: Re: Impossible WC3 Spells   Sun Sep 06, 2009 1:00 am

Not impossible, actually, but would require some nasty tricks and a spell casting system that IMO would present itself as unprofessional. Also if you wanted to let other players see the targets hp/mp, another unprofessional looking system would be required.

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PostSubject: Re: Impossible WC3 Spells   Sun Sep 06, 2009 1:49 pm

Pythagoras wrote:
Not impossible, actually
Prove it.
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PostSubject: Re: Impossible WC3 Spells   Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:16 pm

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Pythagoras wrote:
Not impossible, actually
Prove it.

Ugh, make it so when it casts the spell it gives them millions of hp and mp on the unit, store their real shit in variables, whenever they cast a spell you have to make sure that their variable has enough mana, which leads to the casting system, and make a damage detection trigger for that unit to transfer the damage dealt to the variables, and to kill the unit if it runs out of hp. If you want others to see their hp/mp you'll need floating bars like the castbars in my status system. And when the spell ends, take the millions away and set the numbers back to normal

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PostSubject: Re: Impossible WC3 Spells   Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:04 pm

Next spell:

A spell that blinks the player, but pays attention to terrain. Basically an instant move to that place, but takes into account terrain. Therefore, you can't cast it around a cliff and move there, and instead it will move the distance AROUND there.

Try it.
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PostSubject: Re: Impossible WC3 Spells   Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:14 pm

Not impossible, but has efficiency problems since we can't access wc3's pathing data. You'd have to group trees and do measurements and take terrain heights at minimal intervals between the position of the unit and the position of the target, and then take additional height values and measurements at various other positions to determine which direction, if any, will be travelled

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PostSubject: Re: Impossible WC3 Spells   Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:08 pm

I've seen movement spells that "slide" the character in a direction but cannot go up inclines if they are greater than a certain degree of incline. Could not the same thing be done but extremely rapidly for a blink-esk spell?
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PostSubject: Re: Impossible WC3 Spells   Sun Sep 06, 2009 10:32 pm

Pyth, I want you to make a map and prove me wrong on all my points. K? Make each spell. I don't need to know how it works, I just want to see it done.
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PostSubject: Re: Impossible WC3 Spells   Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:23 pm

He has better things to do.

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PostSubject: Re: Impossible WC3 Spells   Mon Sep 07, 2009 3:23 am

Jay.J wrote:
He has better things to do.
Better than proving himself? Who ever has anything better to do than get noticed and prove themselves?
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PostSubject: Re: Impossible WC3 Spells   Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:58 am

Algorithms are all that matters. I don't have the time to code it all, the fact that it can be done should be sufficient. I don't have any particular need or desire to produce such a map. If I had a need for these systems I might devote time to them.

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PostSubject: Re: Impossible WC3 Spells   Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:06 am

SinisteRing wrote:
Jay.J wrote:
He has better things to do.
Better than proving himself? Who ever has anything better to do than get noticed and prove themselves?

Ignore the jerk that's taunting them and flat out say no?

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PostSubject: Re: Impossible WC3 Spells   Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:07 am

Not everyone needs approval from others. I thought you were one of those people, you know doing shit anyway when people tell you such and such is a dumb idea?

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PostSubject: Re: Impossible WC3 Spells   Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:24 am

Jay.J wrote:
Not everyone needs approval from others. I thought you were one of those people, you know doing shit anyway when people tell you such and such is a dumb idea?
Wut?
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