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  Mathematical Explanation to Why TriBarrel is BEST  
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Scyon Mage
Number of posts : 67 Registration date : 20090210
 Subject: Mathematical Explanation to Why TriBarrel is BEST Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:01 pm  
 I don't think anyone can dispute the use of tribarrel being the BEST gun in game by a HUGE margin compared to all other guns, and I just realized why!
Lets ignore mana cost to shoot and range (distance from enemy creep), just purely look at DPS.
in 6.0 the cool down to shoot tribarrel is 1.3, and the triple shot is on a 5.5 seconds cool down.
Using some simple math, i was able to discover the bullets per second shot. (also known as projectiles coming out of the gun per second)
If you added 1.3 to 5.5 that gives you 6.8 seconds to use both shots from Tribarrel, and the number of projectile/bullets that come out is 4.
4/6.8 = 0.588
This means Tribarrel is effectively shooting bullets/projectile at 0.588 seconds (half a second). Again, you are effectively shooting a projectile every half a second.
now once you factor in Range and Mana cost, who cares, divine shot will take care of everything, and just have someone purchase Rep. Shot to fix all your mana problems. Or just simply use Element Set + Robe of the Magi with a high Power build and you will be good to go.
So this shows mathematically how efficient this gun is at killing, it also shows how effective the other guns needs to be, in order to compete at the same level, this is why, no one uses Master rifle or Master Sniper, they both simply don't shoot fast enough! Nor does the current range and power bonus make up any difference to the close up fighting style of TriBarrel.
HENCE, I made my suggestions for 6.2, which may help the other guns become more effective. If Tribarrel was further nerfed, this game would be impossible to beat, and if Divine shot was further nerfed, this game would be even more impossible to beat.
PS: My initial estimate in terms of cool down for Master rifle was 0.7 seconds, but I put 1.0 seconds in my suggestion because I thought that would be more reasonable...but after this calculation...0.7 cool down may seem more adequate. 
   Dragonheart91 Godlike Sage
Number of posts : 2357 Registration date : 20080521
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Cursed Waves (pwned much?)
 Subject: Re: Mathematical Explanation to Why TriBarrel is BEST Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:10 pm  
 Yeah, I'm ok with Tribarrel as it is, but the other guns need buffs. We need more guns that can lay down more DPS, because as you said, nothing deals as much DPS as Tribarrel simply because of how fast it shoots.
More guns with more interesting features please.
Oh, and if you want to nerf Tribarrel, you could have either shot it does trigger the cooldown of both of them. So if you do the normal shot, you can't shoot either for 1.3 seconds, and if you do the Trishot you can't shoot either for 5.5 seconds. This makes sense from a flavor standpoint as well because you would have to reload each barrel you used. 
   Scyon Mage
Number of posts : 67 Registration date : 20090210
 Subject: Re: Mathematical Explanation to Why TriBarrel is BEST Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:38 pm  
 I agree with you Dragon, only problem with that nerf you came up with (even tho it make 100% sense), is that you have now decreased the efficiency of the Tribarrel, to the point where by you will get owned late game by creeps.
The only reason why you can beat this game (even tho i have yet to beat it) is because Tribarrel can output the most DPS, by making it slower, you will never beat this game lol!. 
   Piddagoras Map Maker
Number of posts : 592 Registration date : 20080522 Age : 30 Location : California
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Cosines and Sines.
 Subject: Re: Mathematical Explanation to Why TriBarrel is BEST Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:47 pm  
 You can't just "trigger a cooldown" on another skill. Sorry.
Your shot rate per second is 1/1.3+3/5.5, which is NOT 4/6.8. Giving the TriBarrel a total shot rate of 940/714, assuming latency and human reaction time are not in effect. Which is approximately 1.32 shots per second, or 1 shot per 0.76 seconds.
//IGNORE THE NUMBERS BELOW THIS THEY ARE INACCURATE TO DEMONSTRATE HOW HIS MATH WAS INCORRECT// The number you present as the time per shot isn't even in the correct units. You're presenting a rate as a time. EVEN IF your algebra weren't whacked out, it would be 68/40 seconds per shot, which is one shot every 1.7 seconds. Obviously, if you actually knew what you were doing, you could easily see that 1/1.7 is less than the SINGLE SHOT RATE of the TriBarrel which is 1/1.3 //STOPIGNORE//
If all you're going to do is put some numbers on the screen and call it math, why would you post?
I apologize for the harsh tone, but srsly. _________________ "On the lips, on the mouth, on the floor, reaching out. On the carpet, on the ceiling, no more words, no more feelings" 
   Scyon Mage
Number of posts : 67 Registration date : 20090210
 Subject: Re: Mathematical Explanation to Why TriBarrel is BEST Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:48 pm  
 Actually your right, i realized my math was wrong, a while ago, but you mention some really good points of latency and human reaction time which i din't factor in, so yes do ignore my calculation, but do take the fact that this thread shows how efficient the tribarrel is.
Thanks for the correction and insight. 
   Balnazzar Elite Mage
Number of posts : 371 Registration date : 20081029 Age : 107
Your Character Level: 1 Primary Move: Communist Propaganda
 Subject: Re: Mathematical Explanation to Why TriBarrel is BEST Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:53 pm  
 Damn it... he (Scyon) only has 29 posts and I already wanna kill him...
Btw, the other guns (Master Rifle, Sniper, Etc.) need a buff. 
   kuro Clan Chieftan
Number of posts : 1331 Registration date : 20080531 Age : 108 Location : in the middle of nowHere.
Your Character Level: 2 Primary Move: invoke
 Subject: Re: Mathematical Explanation to Why TriBarrel is BEST Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:14 pm  
 tribarrel shoots three.
sniper rifle should do something as such (possibly: piercing, bleeding, faster bullet speed, etc) 
   Scyon Mage
Number of posts : 67 Registration date : 20090210
 Subject: Re: Mathematical Explanation to Why TriBarrel is BEST Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:17 pm  
 A Natural ability for sniper would make it a little more effective in terms of killing. I agree, I don't think increased bullet speed would do much, but i like that idea since your targets are moving. and you don't want to miss when you shoot. Each shot missed is extremely costly to a sniper. 
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